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11911, ATHENIAN, London, British Museum, London, British Museum, 1895,1027.2

  • Vase Number: 11911
  • Fabric: ATHENIAN
  • Technique: RED-FIGURE
  • Shape Name: CUP, STEMLESS
  • Date: -500 to -450
  • Decoration: A,B: SYMPOSIUM, DRAPED MEN, ONE WITH SCYTHIAN CAP, SOME WITH CUPS, ONE WITH LYRE AND YOUTH WITH LYRE RECLINING, YOUTH WITH LADLE, KRATER WITH FIGURES, CROSS, OINOCHOE, LYRE AND ARYBALLOS SUSPENDED, TABLES, SHIELD SUSPENDED
    I: SYMPOSIUM, DRAPED MEN RECLINING, ONE PLAYING PIPES
  • Last Recorded Collection: London, British Museum: 1895.10-27.2
  • Previous Collections:
  • Publication Record: Eschbach, N. and Schmidt, S. (eds.), Töpfer, Maler, Werkstatt. Zuschreibungen in der griechischen Vasenmalerei und die Organisation antiker Keramikproduktion (Munich, 2016): 61, FIGS.6-8 (A, B AND I)
    Hesperia, The Journal of the American School of Classical Studies at Athens: 60 (1991), PL.97 (A, B, I)
    Oakley, J.H. (ed.), Athenian Potters and Painters, Volume III (Oxford and Philadelphia, 2014): 127, FIG.4 (B)
    Slater, W.J. (ed.), Dining in a Classical Context (Ann Arbor, 1991): FIGS.19-21 (A, B, I)
    Topper, K., The imagery of the Athenian symposium (Cambridge, 2012): 89, FIGS.32-33 (A, B)
  • AVI Web: https://www.avi.unibas.ch/DB/searchform.html?ID=4865
  • AVI Record Number: 4691
  • British Museum Link: https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/G_1895-1027-2
  • CAVI Collection: London 95.10-27.2.
  • CAVI Lemma: RF stemless cup. From Thebes{1}. Unattributed imitation of Douris. Second quarter fifth. 470-460{2}.
  • CAVI Subject: Symposium: Int.: two bearded men reclining: that on the left plays the flutes, the other sings (his arm is bent over his head). A: three bearded men reclining on couches: the leftmost is frontal, the second to right is speaking, the third is about to throw the kottabos cup. B: at the far left, a cupbearer, with a ladle; next, three males on three couches: a youth tuning his lyre; at right, a bearded man talking to another bearded man, seen from the back.
  • CAVI Inscriptions: All Grr.: Int.: from the singer's mouth:  ^ διὰ τς θυρίδος, retr., but the individual letters left to right{3}. A: to left of the kottabos player's mouth: τοι, retr. Between the second man's hand and the third man's knees: [Λ]άχετι{4}. B: to left of the right man's face: φασιν, retr., but the letters face left to right. Immediately below, left to right (i.e., boustrophedon in relation to the last line): αλεθε; continued to right of the right man's head: ταυτα. The inscription is certainly continuous: φασὶν ἀλεθ ταῦτα{5}.
  • CAVI Footnotes: {1} information from a dealer. {2} if Laches is correct on A, this is a bit too late. {3} the bent arm intervenes. Lyric fragment; see Page, PMG, fr. 752 (Praxilla 8: ὦ διὰ τῶν θυρίδων καλὸν ἐμβλέποισα | παρθένε τὰν κεφαλὰν τὰ δ'ἔνερθε νύμφα. See Page's comments on the singular vs. the plural. {4} [[plausible restoration by Csapo–Miller, 376]] Visible is ΑΧΕΤΙ. The τοι can be interpreted as a (Sicilian) dialect form for σοι in the kottabos formula: τοὶ τάνδε λατάσσο `to you'; or as the definite article, τῷ, i.e. `to him (who is absent); but Csapo–Miller opt for τῷ = τίνι, a question, which is answered by the second man: `to Laches', see 373ff. with many parallels [[and the decisive argument, 379]]. αχετι, as formerly read, was interpreted as non-Greek by Jacobsthal (1912), 61, and as the beginning of a song by Wilamowitz (αχετι, name of the cicada, cf. ἠχέτα τέττιξ (loc. cit.)). C. and M. discovered a restored area, which allows for a letter between head and arm of the second symposiast. The formula would then be: `To whom [to throw this drop]? Answer: to Laches,' a kalos especially of the Antiphon Painter. Cf. the datives on Munich 2421 and Louvre G 114. C. and M., if I understand them, argue for Laches as an imaginary prize for the winner of the kottabos game. I would doubt this and would still prefer: `to you, Laches,' despite the placement of the words [[but see C.–M., who rightly argue that this would have to be in the vocative]]. {5} taken to be a song by Jacobsthal and Herzog, Umschrift (1912) 20, Wilamowitz (p. 121) as prose introducing a coming poetic saying. It probably introduces a story. ταυτα = ταδε: see [[very plausibly H.R.I. apud]] Csapo–Miller, 372f. n. 32. {6} on the letter forms, see Csapo–Miller, 369 n. 12; on dotted delta 369-70 and notes.
  • CAVI Comments: The cup was first declared a Boeotian imitation of Douris by Jacobsthal (1912), but in a review in Gött. Gelehrte Anz. 1933, p. 10, he recanted. Later, M. Robertson persuaded Sparkes that shape, glaze and details of potting pointed to Attica. The graffito inscriptions were doubted in the BM Registry (see Csapo–Miller, 368), but not since. Campbell dissociated the inscriptions from the pictures as later additions and so did Weber. Csapo–Miller consider the inscriptions archaic Attic, but perhaps added by another hand, possibly from a model (see Csapo–Miller, 371). The vase is somewhat earlier than the floruit of Praxilla (451), hence she is perhaps quoting an earlier drinking song, or the quote given in note 2 below is not genuine Praxilla. Dotted delta{6}.
  • CAVI Number: 4691
  • AVI Bibliography: Jacobsthal (1912), 59-63, pl. 22. — Wilamowitz (1913), 121. — Pfuhl (1923), ii, 714. — Lullies (1940), pl. 33. — Wegner (1949), pl. 30,1. — D.A. Campbell (1964), 66 n. 33. — Sparkes (1967), 123 n. 56. — Weber (1984), 485-95. — Csapo–Miller (1991), 367-82, figs. 1-2, pls. 97-100; facss. of inscriptions, pp. 367-68.
  • CAVI / AVI Data from Henry Immerwahr's Corpus of Attic Vase Inscriptions (CAVI), updated by Rudoph Wachter's Attic Vase Inscriptions (AVI)

Last updated 26/07/2024 17:50:00 by Parker, Greg. Approved by Mannack, Thomas. Copyright © 2003-2025 Classical Art Research Centre, University of Oxford.

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